There's no question that plenty of kids look up to Richie McCaw and dream of the kind of success he's had.
So, you can imagine how stoked 800 odd secondary students were today when the man himself shared his own leadership lessons at the Kids with Character Empower Me Leadership seminar in Auckland.
TVNZ1's Seven Sharp asked him what his top tips were for kids.
"The first one that I really live by is that you can't go past hard work, if you think it's going to be easy, if you achieve it when it's easy you're probably not going to get the satisfaction of what it's all about."
"Attention to detail, understanding of what it takes as not everyone knows, asking for advice or asking for help from people around you who can see things from a different way."
"You got to have that drive. It's not someone telling you that you've got to work hard, you've got to really want to do it yourself and I think the people who have that are the most successful."
All advice that will help McCaw in perhaps his biggest challenge of all, becoming a dad.