We know from the ratings that hundreds of thousands of Kiwis are hooked on the TVNZ1 show The Chase.
It's a show that pits normal people against quiz masters and the normal people don't win very often.
Hilary Barry pipped herself against the British show's The Governess - Anne Hegerty, who's visiting New Zealand.
Hegerty and the Seven Sharp host played a game of Trivial Pursuit - and you guessed it - Hegerty came out on top.
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